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12/06/2007 1:44 PM  

Is there a way to have each article open in its own window with unique modules?

For example, I would like an article on Poodles to include a module in the right rail listing all dog articles and another listing the most recent articles we've created. However, I don't want the dog article module to appear with any other articles.

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12/06/2007 3:53 PM  
This is a problem with the way the module works... it only displays articles in the same page or launched a blank page. It's quite a serious flaw, but lots of modules seem to have it.

One trick to improve the situation is to not use the module on your homepage at all. Instead, use only the Latest Articles module on your homepage and set it up to look like the main module's article list. Place the main article module on your sub page and place the unique modules around it. Set the articles module to display articles inline - not launched.

When you click an article on the homepage, it will open the article in the sub page with the other modules alongside.

This also means that the subpage is where you will create your articles.

With some thought you can create quite a complex web of Latest Articles modules on sub tabs to make the site operate much more like a typical internet news site.

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12/06/2007 5:25 PM  
The only way to make this is to have 2 modules on 2 different pages that somehow talk to each other. By design, DNN modules are meant to work by themselves, or retrieve data from another module (latest articles).

Like robax has suggested, you could use "latest articles".

Only if the view article functionality is broken out would it be possible in the way you describe.

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12/07/2007 1:49 AM  
Why not using "Launch Link" feature. This way, when clicking on the article, you just see this article only. That's the way I proceed on my website for all news article.

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12/07/2007 9:00 AM  

Somehow I thought that the Link Type setting would work for this purpose.

The module is already capable of reading an articleid from the URL, and choosing an existing page from link type DOES append the articleid. The problem is that the link does NOT work as expected - instead in always comes back to the original page and appending the tab name defined in the link type setting.

Could you explain what Link Type is supposed to do?

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12/08/2007 8:27 PM  
Posted By Declic Video on 12/07/2007 1:49 AM
Why not using "Launch Link" feature. This way, when clicking on the article, you just see this article only. That's the way I proceed on my website for all news article.

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When you "launch links", you cannot place other modules on the page... it's a blank page apart from the article. This means you can't embellish the page with advertising or other contextual information. The way I described at least gives you one option for placing mother modules in context.

At a pinch you can use multiple copies of the primary module on various sub-sections of the site to allow better variation of contextual info, but you'll need to use multiple copies of the Latest Articles module on the hamepage as well to point to the different sections.

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Posted By smcculloch on 12/06/2007 5:25 PM
The only way to make this is to have 2 modules on 2 different pages that somehow talk to each other. By design, DNN modules are meant to work by themselves, or retrieve data from another module (latest articles).

Like robax has suggested, you could use "latest articles".

Only if the view article functionality is broken out would it be possible in the way you describe.

Scott,

I'm wondering if it's perhaps something you can consider or plan for when you're working on that idea where you separate categories for site structure/navigation/rss versus tags for content?

The end product as you've already said, would be a special module, placed on a sub-page, and linked internally to the primary article module. The sub-page might not even have to be in the menu, but would exist merely to display articles from specified categories. One would use any number of these modules to create a site with rich contextual content and still a single article creation page. Perhaps the LA module would have a section where one could select target display modules for selected categories or something.

There would be a trio of modules:

  1. Article creator (current NA module)
  2. Article display (new module)
  3. Article lists (Current LA module)

The site visitor would normally only ever see the list modules on the site and depending on category, the articles would launch into the target section for that category. I guess the main thing I'm getting at is that the categories would be used for providing the link directives around the site. Those who continue to use categories as they have been in the past would simply not use the special display modules, or just use one.

There are a few modules around that let one create a complex site by linking various modules together across different pages. The core Store does that sort of thing... so a precident is there.

It'd certainly be another distinct point in favour of the module over all others.

Just some idea food

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12/08/2007 10:17 PM  
Rob,

I'd like to see this get done somehow. I don't really think of News Articles as simply a news publishing system.. It acts as the system (or ideally anyway) to run my entire website on, so something to fix this issue would be simply outstanding. The News Articles platform is so great in it's flexibility, but of course, as with any other module, with more extensive use, scalability and new features become a plus. Rather than handling everything by using Latest Articles and placing things everywhere, it'd be nice to somehow be able to find a workaround to fix this problem highlighted within the post.. I know from personal experience I've sought a solution to it as well.
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12/09/2007 6:26 AM  

I still think that the "Link Type" option (or something similar) should work for this purpose. One thing I would like to know though is:

  • How does it work?
  • What is the main purpose for Link Type?

If you could answer this it would be great.

 

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12/09/2007 4:01 PM  
I disliked using many modules to link the core functionality of a module because it is very confusing for entry level users. e.g. all the store modules I have used have been a little complex to setup.

The link type links to a page, url or file. That's all it does, it doesn't like to the body of the article.

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12/09/2007 5:29 PM  

Scott,

Although I whole-heartedly agree with you on the complexity issue, I feel that this (non-required) option would be a great addition to your module.

So here it goes... Scott would you please consider adding an additional module setting (maybe a Advanced Work-Flow section) with one setting to begin with: "Article Detail Page".?

If this setting is configured (via the URL control with type=T ONLY available) then all article titles would now link to the tabid specified and append all the necessary paramaters to URL - such as ArticleId.

Once again, this can be an "optional" setting, available for advanced users should they need it.

What do you think?


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12/09/2007 6:40 PM  
Just to drive the point home for anyone else reading this, who might be unsure what this is about.

There is a design trap with many DNN modules that linked content is either jammed into the source page or stranded on an admin page (An admin page has no additonal modules or content).

As an example, a typical hardware portal like this http://www.xbitlabs.com/ can't be constructed. The key missing function is the ability to display linked articles within their own site sections (CPU, Memory etc) with further modules related only to that section alongside.

Another less obvious but serious-use case is a corporate intranet where different business groups share the same publishing procedures and the same homepage, but they want their actual content to be displayed within their own sub sections of the intranet. If an article from the Finance Group is linked from the homepage in a "News from around the Business" type of list, then that article, when clicked on, should display in the Finance group's section with financial content displayed alongside. This is vital when an article refers to standard procedures and docuements belonging to that group.

The workaround I've previously described for News Articles allows for a single selection of additional modules to be displayed with the article, but this does not allow for multiple site sections or business groups.

One additional point about complexity for entry level users... I feel that anyone who can properly install and configure a DNN portal can easily handle linking up some display modules. The people it is supposed to be easy for is those who ultimately browse the articles and would benefit from related content. For me, it's all about them.

That said, it's all over to Scott to specify the scope of any module and he'll know very well whether it would even be possible to develop NA in this direction or if it just isn't even on the table.

Or perhaps we can all put up some donations to sweeten the request?.. I'm always open to that in Scott's case.

Rob
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12/13/2007 12:07 AM  
Rob,

I am all down for donations. In fact, I've always wanted some custom work done, but had decided to hold out in hopes that NA would get a large development cycle over Property Agent and others for a period of time. It's been a while since we've seen a large overhaul of things, and the lists of suggestions are getting big, but it's clear there are a few essential things that would be ideal (this included) and tags.

Let me know if anybody else is down for this and we can work out a little pot.
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