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7/20/2005 10:57 AM  

Everybody should experience a large sit porting from DNN 2.12 to DNN 3.1

Has anybody discovered the cure for the site just dragging after upgrade?

When working in admin settings and clicking update, a page might never complete yet you bring up another browser instance that is not logged in and you see your changes have been made.

It appears that the SQL calls are being handled fine - it is the redirect to page that seems to confuse DNN after upgrade.

Any thoughts?


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7/20/2005 2:24 PM  

Robb, I noticed this also.  One thing that seems to really help speed things up is to switch the Control Panel to CLASSIC under the host settings. 

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7/20/2005 5:16 PM  

I have some clean installs where this can be a problem. Seems to me it happens when you have more than about 10 security roles. I can watch my processor going to 100% while the page updates, and thats while working on a single site. The only sites I seem to have issues on are those with a lot of roles.

I'm gonna be moving to a dual processor server soon if I can't get a handle on this.


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7/20/2005 10:41 PM  
Posted By jhoelz on 7/20/2005 5:16:37 PM

I have some clean installs where this can be a problem. Seems to me it happens when you have more than about 10 security roles. I can watch my processor going to 100% while the page updates, and thats while working on a single site. The only sites I seem to have issues on are those with a lot of roles.

I'm gonna be moving to a dual processor server soon if I can't get a handle on this.


In 3.1.1, there were some enhancements to the performance of updates on pages -- this was generally caused by sites with lots of pages and reordering them..

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7/21/2005 1:21 AM  

If you can't wait for 3.1.1 then these fixes have been posted in Gemini (http://support.gemini.com)

If you can't find the particulare issue, let me know and I'll point you to it.

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7/21/2005 5:11 AM  
Posted By Bunce on 7/21/2005 1:21:03 AM

If you can't wait for 3.1.1 then these fixes have been posted in Gemini (http://support.gemini.com)

If you can't find the particulare issue, let me know and I'll point you to it.

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Thanks Andrew,

I am getting a page cannot be displayed at http://support.gemini.com/


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7/21/2005 8:01 AM  
I think that should be :

http://support.dotnetnuke.com
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7/21/2005 4:37 PM  
Oops - thanks.  Was in a bit of a rush!
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7/22/2005 8:20 PM  

Thanks for all your input. After I get through this 800 page site upgrade, I will be more able to offer some help to others that still need to go through a 2.12 upgrade.

I discovered through a lot of testing that the issue was in the Inventua Side Menu.

I had many pages using the DNN 2 version of side menu but I had removed them all before I performed the upgrade.

 After the upgrade, I added a DNN 3 build for Inventua SideMenu. I started revising pages and the module was added to the pages without incident.

I, quite by accident, discovered, after uploading the latest build, Inventua DNN SideMenu v3.1.0 (for DNN 3), that I started getting page blowup and log errors. I deleted every instance of the sidemenu and the module itself. Boom! The site was working at normal speed.

I then went through every page on the site and if it was hidden or disabled, I made it visible. I then reinstalled the sidemenu and added it to a test page. It is not really blazing and it placed about an additional 3 second rendering hit in performance on pages with the side menu, but no where near the bogging I was getting before. I am sure Inventua is worikng on constant improvements.

This said, it still doesn't explain the slowness when working on admin pages. Sometimes when editing page or module settings, the page goes through cycling forever and never seems to hit the page redirect. I hope this is an issue resolved in DNN 3.1.1.


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7/22/2005 9:23 PM  
Fixed here:
http://support.dotnetnuke.com/issue/ViewIssue.aspx?id=1383

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12/08/2005 7:38 AM  

Hi guys,

Sorry, but I need to address the slowness issue again. I was at several customers sites this month. And, of course, you want to demo your dogfooding site. On all occassions, It took over two minutes for the initial load of http://www.justnorth.com.

Our ActiveForums posts have grown and  are prohibiting us from starting the site from scratch. (No way to export the data)

Once the site was loaded, performance improves somewhat. We have removed several sql calling modules from the homepage and I don't think that is the issue any longer.

Is this still caused by a large portal site loading .Net for the first time?

I have switched to DNN.3.2.0 hoping that the issue would subside, but it hasn't. The issue of super slowness when in admin mode has not improved at all.

I know we have been around the block regarding dedicated servers and such. I am on a server that only has 12 other sites, only one of which is another DNN site.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. If I can get any feedback on how long it took you to load the initial justnorth page, I would sure appreciate it.

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12/08/2005 7:57 AM  
Hi Robb,

Sorry, no suggestions, I'm just too new at this, but I can say that it took about 14 seconds to start rendering the front page, a further 4 seconds to finish displaying it.  30 seconds later I opened in another tab, took 6 secs start to finish, and moving to some pages took a long time.  I have to agree, if it were my site I'd consider it unaccepably slow.

Do you know the DB Server specs and how many databases are using it?

How many pages are there in your site?
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12/08/2005 8:12 AM  
Posted By BarryS on 12/08/2005 7:57 AM
Hi Robb,

Sorry, no suggestions, I'm just too new at this, but I can say that it took about 14 seconds to start rendering the front page, a further 4 seconds to finish displaying it.  30 seconds later I opened in another tab, took 6 secs start to finish, and moving to some pages took a long time.  I have to agree, if it were my site I'd consider it unaccepably slow.

Do you know the DB Server specs and how many databases are using it?

How many pages are there in your site?


Thanks for the input, Barry.

I am on SQL Server Standard
8.00.818 SP3
Approx 38 active databases

Including the catalook store pages we currently have 218 pages


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12/08/2005 1:17 PM  

Have you upgraded to AF 3.5.3B along with the new TopPosts module?

I have to agree, that site is very slow.

What load do you see at the server level while the site is loading?

Can you watch both the SQL server and the hosting machine at the same time?


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12/08/2005 2:34 PM  

A few suggestions:-

  • Use the PageGenerated skin object to find out what the actual load times are.
  • If your using top posts, be wary of checking for security, it adds a bit to the expense of the query.
  • Load up Sql Profiler and attach it to your database to find out what's actually going on and what are the expensive queries
  • Run your site on a local install to see if it's a server load issue (comparing page generated times)

 


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12/08/2005 2:36 PM  
One more thing, check the log viewer to see if something is causing lots of exceptions.

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Posted By jhoelz on 12/08/2005 1:17 PM

Have you upgraded to AF 3.5.3B along with the new TopPosts module?

I have to agree, that site is very slow.

What load do you see at the server level while the site is loading?

Can you watch both the SQL server and the hosting machine at the same time?

Hi Jack,

I just installed 3.5.3B. What version are your showing for TopPosts? I am showing

 ActiveForumsTopPosts 03.00.00


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12/09/2005 5:36 AM  

3.01.01

http://www.activemodules.com/CustomersOnly/tabid/730/forumid/95/postid/35788/view/topic/Default.aspx


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12/09/2005 6:19 AM  


Thanks Jack,

Do you know if NTForums Top Posts can be removed from Desktop Modules? It seems to me to be a lingering mod from the DNN 2 days.

I am trying everything before being forced to rebuild the site from scratch on a DNN 3.2 blank portal.

I have a support question into Will regarding any knowledge of exporting the Active Forums data. It seems that this would be a crucial if you needed to rebuild a site.


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