Ivan Gold Membership
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| 10/15/2008 5:37 AM |
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It doesn't look that hard to me - it works like this now - you just specify which instance of NA the latest links to. You will have to split the article manager and the article detail view in two modules (article manager should also link to the detail view). That's how Pengsten's UVG works and allows for a pretty flexible implementation. Your categories module will have a setting to link to an instance of LA. |
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p speth Gold Membership
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| 10/15/2008 5:43 AM |
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Posted By Scott McCulloch on 10/15/2008 4:51 AM - allow for a single place where article detail is viewed (one unique url per article) not matter where from you have clicked on the article link
This would be very hard to implement, if you had a latest articles list on your homepage, how would you know which news articles module to link against? The category filters are not exclusive. So I wouldn't know what article instance to link to?
I'm curious to see your summary Dax.
I agree this would be impossible to achieve completely, without crippling many features of this module.
One thing that may achieve this goal partially is by allowing the specific LA module to target another LA module as its target page to open. |
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 10/15/2008 6:05 AM |
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Posted By Ivan on 10/15/2008 5:37 AM It doesn't look that hard to me - it works like this now - you just specify which instance of NA the latest links to. You will have to split the article manager and the article detail view in two modules (article manager should also link to the detail view). That's how Pengsten's UVG works and allows for a pretty flexible implementation. Your categories module will have a setting to link to an instance of LA.
Maybe I misread your comment:-
- allow for a single place where article detail is viewed (one unique
url per article) not matter where from you have clicked on the article
link
I thought it indicated that the latest articles module would link to the news article instance where the article appears (taken into account category filters, etc), if they all link to the SAME module it would be OK. It does this today to link to news articles module. So I'm not sure what the change is? Other than a custom view module?
Your categories module will have a setting to link to an instance of LA.
The categories module links to a list of articles belonging to a category. I'm not sure how this applies.. |
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 10/15/2008 6:12 AM |
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There is a lot of confusion on this thread (mainly by me). Currently, we have News Articles - Used to create, edit and view articles. Also used to view articles by category, author, date range and search. Latest Articles - Links to articles to display in the main news articles module. News Archives - Groups archive information and links to News Articles. Some people want (I assume):- * News Articles to be broken out to have a "view article" module (either in latest articles or separate module) * Editing articles should link back to a central admin type module. Everyone has competing interests here, and I don't see a way forward yet. We need to put some concrete list of changes here. e.g. 1. Latest Articles Add admin option to pick a module to view articles in. A setting will still exist to link to the article module, this is where the edit link will go to and the ModuleID to query data from. |
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p speth Gold Membership
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| 10/15/2008 9:57 AM |
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Posted By Scott McCulloch on 10/15/2008 6:12 AM There is a lot of confusion on this thread (mainly by me).
Currently, we have
News Articles - Used to create, edit and view articles. Also used to view articles by category, author, date range and search. Latest Articles - Links to articles to display in the main news articles module. News Archives - Groups archive information and links to News Articles.
Some people want (I assume):-
* News Articles to be broken out to have a "view article" module (either in latest articles or separate module) * Editing articles should link back to a central admin type module.
Everyone has competing interests here, and I don't see a way forward yet.
We need to put some concrete list of changes here.
e.g.
1. Latest Articles
Add admin option to pick a module to view articles in. A setting will still exist to link to the article module, this is where the edit link will go to and the ModuleID to query data from.
I originally proposed some changes to NA, but I think the main changes I am now interested extensions to the LA module.
Latest Articles Extensions
- Admin option to pick a module to view articles in (an LA Module).
A setting will still exist to link to the article module, this is where the edit link will go to and the ModuleID to query data from. (as you mentioned above).
- Extend the Template capabilities of the LA module to use or match that of the NA module.
- Optional Admin option: Set Default View, This would allow you to select or create an article that would act as the default view for this LA Module. In effect this module would then be a view module.
- Ideally there would be a Token That would reset the LA module to its default view. A Filtered list if the default view has not been set, or the detail view of an article if the default view has been set.
This is my current view based on this thead. I think I have hit most of the points Dax and I mentioned. Of course he can correct me. :)
These options are extensions and shouldn't adversely affect how people are currently working.
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Déclic Vidéo Gold Membership
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Ivan Gold Membership
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| 10/16/2008 6:42 AM |
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Scott, It seems to me News Archives should be able to link to an instance of LA. So in other words LA is used to filter/organize/sort/display articles....then if you put News Archives on a page next to an instance of LA then it should give an an additional way to view the content that LA is displaying. If news archives is set to categories and link to a LA - then when you click on a category it should filter the results in the LA for that category. Ivan |
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Dax Davis Gold Membership
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| 11/25/2008 2:25 PM |
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OK, guys, very sorry for dissapearing on this for over a month. As soon as I offered to summarize, my schedule went nuts. I think part of the confusion in this thread has been the adding of a "detail view" module. That's not really what the purpose of this thread was originally about, and having one is not mutually exclusive to the goal here. I'm going to try to outline the changes to the modules.
NA Module
- Serves as Administrative Module (for backwards compatibility, it does everything it does now)
- All site articles are administered here and displayed around the site appropriately using LA module filtering. One centralized repository for articles.
LA Module
- Has ALL template ability of NA. You can select an Template for a list or select to do the custom approach LA currently does for displaying articles.
- Displays article detail in the same spot as the LA Module (If Launch Article is checked then displays on current page in admin view, else displays on current page in exact location of the LA Module). Launch should probably be the default setting. Displaying in the same place helps with page security issues, skin issues, navigation issues, etc.
- Setting to display in current LA module or point to an existing NA module for displaying article detail (backwards compatibility).
- NA Module Menu Bar options would work in LA but go back to the LA module not the NA module like now. Admin options would work with the NA module.
Categories/Authors/Archives/etc.
- With LA having full NA ability when we add the archives module to a page you select LA modules for displaying the detail. This will display the detail in the correct skin, site location, etc.
- Have an option to respect the settings/filters setup on the LA module pointed to. This will make sure only the articles that would be shown in LA shows in the archives. I would think you would ignore article limit or date limits for this (or make that an additional option)
I think that covers all of the options pertaining to the main topic. I'll add another post talking about the detail view and the URL issue brought up. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 11/25/2008 3:09 PM |
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Hi Dax, I've been in talks with pspeth about these enhancements and he is going to sponsor the changes. We spoke about a week and a half and it's slightly different to what you suggested (we talked about a view module), I'll have another talk with him about your proposal.The main issue was the view category links etc, in the article detail, but if we have those screens filtered, it should work then. |
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Dax Davis Gold Membership
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| 12/01/2008 5:20 AM |
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Great. He's been patient with me on getting the summary posted. I'd love to hear what comes out of it. Dax |
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