Steve J. Gold Membership
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| 10/08/2008 7:26 AM |
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You can already filter by category with the LA module. The goal of the View module is to allow the LA to act more like a general CMS module. You could place it on a page and it would act as a single or multipage content module. Working with and extending the sites page structure.
What I am referring to are different places to view the article by category or author(s), so one section could be formatted in a certain way, the other in another surrounded by different modules. Some examples would be to have certain ads for one view section and the would display a different set of ads...that or just simply color changes based on article categories...
Thanks, Steve
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 10/08/2008 7:34 AM |
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So if it defaulted to a single article detail view, you would select a single article to filter on in admin options? What happens to any links the module has, edit article, view author, etc, where do they go? |
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 10/08/2008 7:35 AM |
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| Steve, take a look at the latest release and filter by category view, it can do what you describe in your post. It actually defaults the base view of the module to a view category page. |
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p speth Gold Membership
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| 10/08/2008 8:46 AM |
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Posted By Scott McCulloch on 10/08/2008 7:34 AM So if it defaulted to a single article detail view, you would select a single article to filter on in admin options?
What happens to any links the module has, edit article, view author, etc, where do they go?
The default or Home view is just the initial view. If you have a list of articles (from LA module) on the same page and select a different article the view module will display that article.
If you choose to to add links to your article or template that are administrative in nature they should open the source NA module.
If you are opening a separate view like all articles by this author, it should occur in the view module on the current page.
If this mucks up the dev process then allow these things to occur in the view module based on user rights.
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 10/09/2008 6:44 AM |
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So on the latest articles module we would probably have 2 settings, one is the "view" module and the other is the "admin" module. When clicking on an article, it goes to the view page, but clicking on the edit icon will link to the admin page. I don't think we will need to create a separate module but rather use the existing module, but maybe hide the top links and add the view options into latest articles? |
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p speth Gold Membership
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| 10/09/2008 6:51 AM |
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Posted By Scott McCulloch on 10/09/2008 6:44 AM So on the latest articles module we would probably have 2 settings, one is the "view" module and the other is the "admin" module.
When clicking on an article, it goes to the view page, but clicking on the edit icon will link to the admin page.
I don't think we will need to create a separate module but rather use the existing module, but maybe hide the top links and add the view options into latest articles?
I agree that another module would not be necessary. We would need to add the Default View option to NA and Extend the view options for Latest Articles.
These seem like pretty reasonable evolutionary enhancements to this CMS. |
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Dax Davis Gold Membership
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| 10/09/2008 4:45 PM |
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I think in the mix of all this we have made the concept a little more complicated. NA does what it does now. LA gets all of the display functionality (e.g. Templates, Listing of Articles, Detail View of articles). Right now, LA is great for displaying article lists but not really as a place to view articles.
This is really important to me for two reasons: 1) Being able to view articles in the appropriate area of the site, 2) being able to use templates on the LA module.
To give you an idea of how this is effecting me now. Have an NA module setup to manage articles on a site. These articldes are viewable in a member's area as well as the public site. I deal with securiy by checking the secure box on the articles.
On the private part of the site I have several different "sections" based on types or categories of information. I use LA to show only the subjects I wish to show. But when they click on view, they are taken to the NA module which is on a non-members-only page because of DNN security and the skin does not match the section they started in, nor does the URL, or menu structure. This has always been very confusing to the user and admins.
It also can become a bit of a security (DNN security) issue as well. So, if you have one central library of articles and use LA wherever you want to display a subset or all of those articles, and the article detail is displayed in that spot (with the option to Launch links or not) then you can have any security you want as well as any skin and url.
And as someone else mentioned, if you can have an option to select an LA or NA to display the article in, then you could place another LA for display purposes only on the perfect skin, popup, whatever and the original LA will send you there.
You really don't need a new module for each thing, LA, NA, display, etc. Maybe it is just LA and NA and the LA module has an option of displaying detail or just does it is being sent the parameters of an article from another LA module.
I always try to not use the Articles module from Efficion as an examplie but this is the ONE function I have have always wished was in the NA module. Articles allowed you to drop it anywhere you wanted and filter what showed. They didn't have an article manager module, you just entered stuff at any module and based on the categories it appeared where you wanted it to. And it viewed in the same module you saw the listing in.
Sorry for the long post.
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Steve J. Gold Membership
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| 10/09/2008 4:55 PM |
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Articles allowed you to drop it anywhere you wanted and filter what showed. They didn't have an article manager module, you just entered stuff at any module and based on the categories it appeared where you wanted it to. And it viewed in the same module you saw the listing in.
Dax
This is what I was trying to explain in my post...I failed miserably - thanks Dax! :)
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 10/10/2008 6:42 AM |
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OK , I get the view article for latest articles OK now. Still not 100% sure on the default article view for latest articles, this is to default it to a specific article? |
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p speth Gold Membership
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| 10/10/2008 6:54 AM |
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Posted By Scott McCulloch on 10/10/2008 6:42 AM OK , I get the view article for latest articles OK now.
Still not 100% sure on the default article view for latest articles, this is to default it to a specific article?
If we go for the LA being the view module, then an optional ability to set a default home view would be a very important option. It would only be an option. The module could still function as an aggregator, or Navigation module showing a filtered list of articles.
One question I have for everyone.
If we had two LA modules on a page. One showing a filtered list of articles, and the other setup as a view module defaulting to content from a specific module. Would it work for people to set the view module as the target when clicking on articles from the first la module?
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 10/10/2008 6:57 AM |
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Wouldn't the default home view, be it's standard list of article listings? Yes to your 2nd question, I would use TabModuleID to link accross. |
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p speth Gold Membership
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| 10/10/2008 7:14 AM |
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Posted By Scott McCulloch on 10/10/2008 6:57 AM Wouldn't the default home view, be it's standard list of article listings?
Yes to your 2nd question, I would use TabModuleID to link accross.
If the admin set the default home view to be a specific article then that would be the default home view.
This would basically be saying that this is being used as a view module.
If the admin left the module to show the article listing then the default home would go to that view.
In this case this could be considered a list module and possibly a view module. If it is not targeted to open in another LA module then it opens in its own space so it is both.
If it is targeted to open in a separate module it is acting as a list module only.
That is my take on it. |
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Dax Davis Gold Membership
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| 10/10/2008 8:39 AM |
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If it is not targeted to open in another LA module then it opens in its own space so it is both.
If it is targeted to open in a separate module it is acting as a list module only.
That is my take on it.
I think you have it right. You would never put two LA modules on the same page for the sake of listing and then viewing the detail of a list item clicked in one la module to display in another on the same page. The listing would be replaced by the detail of what they clicked in the same module in the same skin (with other modules next to it, unless they clicked launch links which would then use the admin skin and only display the LA module).
I would think you could have more then one LA on a page but the purpose would not be to interact, just to list different info and display the detail in the same module. (Maybe latest entries in different categories that you want in different panes).
So something added to this that I had not brought up is the displaying the detail of an article in LA (meaning no listing just straight to the article). I mentioned that would be a good step for using NA as a CMS as well. But another concept would be to have a URL that always has the latest article. So you would have the option of showing a listing in LA or an article in LA. If you select the latter then you can specify a specific article or use criteria like we do in listing of filtering by date, category, etc. Sort of like doing a listing as LA does not, but saying only display 1 article and in this new case we would be showing the detail, not the listing.
Dax
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Steve J. Gold Membership
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| 10/10/2008 9:21 AM |
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Could you just make it possible to load multiple NA's whereever you want, filter by category, author, etc? That way you could assign a LA to a NA. NA would function as specified and display current articles if the article isn't passed through, and articles could be entered at any NA module, but for non-admins it would only show the categories assiged to that instance for assignment - search from that instance would only search the scope of that module? Each NA could be assigned a different template to accomodate the different sections on the website. LA already can filter what you would want, so the only other option would be what NA to direct the article to open in... Steve |
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Ivan Gold Membership
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| 10/13/2008 11:11 AM |
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boy, this is a hard/long discussion to follow:) scott, can you pls summarize the changes you are thinking to implement before actually implementing them? |
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Dax Davis Gold Membership
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| 10/13/2008 3:02 PM |
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@stevej The changes this thread is referring to would eliminate the need to place NA modules anywhere but one place (where you want to admin the articles). The LA would do everything NA does and you can put them anywhere and as many as you want. You can filter, use a different template, etc. Dax |
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Dax Davis Gold Membership
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| 10/13/2008 3:07 PM |
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I'll see if I can scrounge the time to pull these all into a single bulleted post for everyone. Hopefully that will help Scott out a bit. From reading the rash of activity on the forums I think he is pretty busy. Dax |
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Ivan Gold Membership
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| 10/13/2008 3:25 PM |
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the article manager as a "separate" module is better than the current set up.
but at least for us the new structure should: - allow for a single place where article detail is viewed (one unique url per article) not matter where from you have clicked on the article link - keep the current urls in tack (the ones that google has indexed already) - when you click update in article create...it currently takes you to the article detail for instant view of your article..this should continue to work - right now authors can click on the edit button from article detail/list view etc (if you have placed the edit token) and it takes you to the article create screen - this should continue to work |
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Scott McCulloch Administrators
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| 10/15/2008 4:51 AM |
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- allow for a single place where article detail is viewed (one unique url per article) not matter where from you have clicked on the article link This would be very hard to implement, if you had a latest articles list on your homepage, how would you know which news articles module to link against? The category filters are not exclusive. So I wouldn't know what article instance to link to? I'm curious to see your summary Dax. |
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