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5/07/2008 8:07 PM  

How to do comments definitely needs to be discussed in depth as it is certainly not straightforward.

Simple Gallery has several view states, including album thumbs, image thumbs, and three variations of a full-size image, with possibly more to come in future.

The question is how to integrate a rating and commenting system into this without getting into a complicated mess.

My suggestion is to create a new module for handling the receipt and display of comments. Then, tie this new module to the various Simple Gallery view states by using a couple of new tokens.

The new tokens would show: a short line of rating stars, and a link “Comments XX”
This is very brief and could be added to all view states without major drama.

The Stars would ideally be one of those mouse-over-click-to-rate type of things that are in use everywhere these days. The Comments XX would link to the location of a new module.

The new satellite module would handle the display of comments for all slide show variations. This new module should be able to shown anywhere as it would not be a fixed part of the slideshow.

It would be nicely template-able like other Ventrian modules with tokens for a thumbnail image, comments, rating, paging, comment form and so on. There would be view options for making it show the latest commented , most commented, least commented, most viewed, highest rated, lowest rated and whatever else is desired.

And this is very important: The comments module would therefore be usable either on a homepage as a shortlist of latest comments or on the same page as the gallery module itself. The whole point of commenting and rating site content is to create interactivity and therefore traffic. This can only be fully realised if one can draw such content out to the homepage.

Also, I don’t know if this would be possible, but it would be cool:
If it were on the same page as the gallery, it could display comments in context with the gallery’s current view state. For example, if one is viewing album thumbs, it would display latest comments for those albums, if one is looking at image thumbnails, it would display the last x comments for any of the visible thumbs. When one clicks through to a particular image inline, it would display comments just for that image.

So.. my suggestion here is to make the management and display of comments done in a separate module that is tied to all view states of the gallery by just a couple of items: Rating stars and Comments XX 

The above suggestions solve the issue with integration into various slideshows by not trying to crow-bar actual  comments into them, and it also provides the means for pulling the new content out to the front of the site. The only thing is does not do is display comments directly alongside the lightbox and popup views.. but I feel that, by design, those are not intended to be cluttered up with stuff anyway... the rating and comment tokens linking to the comments module would be plenty.

Scott will of course know better if any of this is possible at all.

Rob

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5/08/2008 7:40 AM  
My thoughts on this is to implement a view image page, similar to flickr, e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/21064577@N02/2475431595/

From all the slideshows, they would link to this page for viewing and posting comments. The lightbox would support tokens to display how many comments, link to post comment and rating.

I think this is similar to what you are saying about the separate module.

The latest comments and rating could be a separate module but would interact with other modules on the page to filter the list (if specified). Property agent already does this with latest properties.

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5/08/2008 4:18 PM  
Yes, basically separating out the comments into another module largely removes the integration problem. People could then use tokens and decide just how much they might like to integrate bits from the comments module into the galleries and slideshows.
For example, a 'lastcomment' token could be handy if people want to display just that with each image.

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5/15/2008 4:36 PM  

Adding to this thread I have an example of how ratings are used at Photo.net to give an overview of a member's ratings that is more useful than a straight average:

This member has received 2201 ratings, on 222 distinct photos, averaging 5.36 for Aesthetics, and 5.39 for Originality. The ratings were from 1370 other members. You can browse the 88 most frequently-rated photos of this member.

Ratings Received
  1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Originality 0 0 57 323 720 905 196
Aesthetics 0 0 70 339 700 904 188

 

That's a random photographer off the site: http://photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=1993730

The site there actually provides a profile page for each members and their commetns and ratings are made available on that. I feel that this concept should be considered with any module that fits in the social networking/personal profile sort of thing. In this case one focuses content around users rather than users around content.

Just some more thoughts

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5/21/2008 4:18 PM  

I wholeheartedly agree with all above (althought the ratings system seems more slanted toward a photo site than a generic social networking site). I would add however that for much of this to work well in a social networking website we really need Simple Gallery to support user photo albums.

The above examples demonstrate the value of photo ratings and comments, but connecting photos to users is key to driving interactivity between site members. Something as simple as a USERID token that can be passed in or read from a querystring of session value would allow Simple Gallery to be implemented within other user profile modules such as Smart Thinker's User Profiles. Adding additional album seperations on key values would also allow admins to create photo alumbs for members of specific groups (Using GROUPID) so members that belong to a specific group on a site (again Smart Thinker's Groups) could have a community album.

I own about five gallery modules and continue to implement Simple Gallery over the others because of it's simplicity and user interface design. I think adding this ability would only allow admins to truely integrate it within social networking concepts and deliver excellent album/photo functionality to users.


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5/25/2008 7:45 AM  

I agree with all of the above, especially with allowing the user photos to integrate with the ST User Profile module.  One other thing was integration with Amazon's S3...that would be HUGE for Social Networking...
That's my .02 - that's for raising this guys, and to Scott for listening!
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6/20/2008 8:34 AM  
if you see @ http://www.myhometown.sg

I modified SG to have a rating and a comment features.....

but it just like Robert said,.. it will be very messy... YES IT IS VERY MESSY...

oh well, as long as my client happy..
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